LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Bobby Clampett 1983 Swing Sequence with analysis by Homer Thread: Bobby Clampett 1983 Swing Sequence with analysis by Homer View Single Post #9 04-27-2006, 02:05 PM Yoda Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 10,681 Bobby Clampett BM#20 Originally Posted by David Alford Not so fast! HK's EXACT words were "the shoulder turn is as flat as possible". True? Well, if your shoulder turn is as flat as possible, it is an absolute horizontal turn. True? And if your shoulder turn is absolute horizontal turn, you will not be on plane. True? Therefore, can we not conclude HK's statements were inaccurate? Say "True" one more time. David Alford My comments are in bold: Not so fast! HK's EXACT words were "the shoulder turn is as flat as possible". True? True. Well, if your shoulder turn is as flat as possible, it is an absolute horizontal turn. True? True. And if your shoulder turn is absolute horizontal turn, you will not be on plane. True? Not true. The Shoulder Turn is a Zone 1 Component and, as such, is independent of Plane (a Zone 3 Component). Assuming you remained on a Turned Shoulder Plane -- TGM also defines alternate non-Shoulder Planes -- you would be on the Plane of the (Horizontally) Turned Right Shoulder. And this, in fact, would be the ideal, for geometrical reasons beyond the scope of this post. Unfortunately, we humans have a Waist Bend and Spine Angle to contend with, and a purely horizontal Shoulder Turn could -- but might not necessarily -- produce an awkward and un-golflike Motion. To the extent this is the case, it is by definition improper Execution per 3-F-6. Homer therefore advises that the ideal Horizontal Shoulder Turn be executed only as Flat as possible. Therefore, can we not conclude HK's statements were inaccurate? Say "True" one more time. Sorry, SuperDave. The only inaccurate statement above is your own. __________________ Yoda Yoda View Public Profile Send a private message to Yoda Visit Yoda's homepage! Find all posts by Yoda