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Old 02-26-2006, 01:04 PM
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Acceleration In the Right Arm Swing
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Can you please explain the success of Tomasello's swinging approach with right arm acceleration???
DG,

You have classified Tom Tomasello's procedure as Right Arm Swing. Others have classified it as Left Arm Swing using the Magic of the Right Forearm per the Major Basic Stroke of 7-3. Tommy's no longer with us to declare an ultimate victor in this debate, so participants have no choice but to respect the opposing view and 'let the mystery be.'

That said, the success of either action is dependent upon the Club being Accelerated Longitudinally (PULLED lengthwise with either the Right Arm or the Left per 10-19-C). The difference lies in what is being Loaded and how -- the Right Elbow via the Right Triceps (Right Arm Swing) versus the Left Wrist via the Pivot (Left Arm Swing). The Right Arm Swinger gains Right Triceps Thrust but forfeits Body Momentum Transfer. For the Left Arm Swinger, the reverse is true.

Both procedures differ considerably from the Right Arm Hit. Here the Club is Accelerated Radially (PUSHED sidewise with the Right Arm per 10-19-A). As in the Right Arm Swing, however, the price paid for Right Arm Thrust is the forfeiture of Momentum Transfer.
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Old 02-26-2006, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Yoda,

Can you please explain the success of Tomasello's swinging approach with right arm acceleration???

Originally Posted by Yoda
DG,

You have classified Tom Tomasello's procedure as Right Arm Swing. Others have classified it as Left Arm Swing using the Magic of the Right Forearm per the Major Basic Stroke of 7-3. Tommy's no longer with us to declare an ultimate victor in this debate, so participants have no choice but to respect the opposing view and 'let the mystery be.'

That said, the success of either action is dependent upon the Club being Accelerated Longitudinally (PULLED lengthwise with either the Right Arm or the Left per 10-19-C). The difference lies in what is being Loaded and how -- the Right Elbow via the Right Triceps (Right Arm Swing) versus the Left Wrist via the Pivot (Left Arm Swing).

Both procedures differ considerably from the Right Arm Hit wherein the Club is Accelerated Radially (PUSHED sidewise with the Right Arm per 10-19-A). As in the Right Arm Swing, however, the price paid for Right Arm Thrust is the forfeiture of Momentum Transfer.
This is as clear as it gets. Every once in a while, someone (not looking at anyone in particular) brings up the Tom Tomaseello/Right Arm Swing debate. I view the above as a final concluding post (concluding many other concluding posts Yoda and others have made on this subject), i.e. I really can't see anything of great significance that can be said and hasn't already been said in this debate.

I, for one, have learnt a substantial amount by participating in such discussions. It's time to give it a rest
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Old 02-26-2006, 02:09 PM
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This is as clear as it gets. Every once in a while, someone (not looking at anyone in particular) brings up the Tom Tomaseello/Right Arm Swing debate. I view the above as a final concluding post (concluding many other concluding posts Yoda and others have made on this subject), i.e. I really can't see anything of great significance that can be said and hasn't already been said in this debate.

I, for one, have learnt a substantial amount by participating in such discussions. It's time to give it a rest

Actually, if there are other Tomasello students who can add to the mystery!!! That would be great...

At this time, it would be interesting to hear from Jodie Mudd...a PGA Tour pro who studied with Tommy. Did he use this stroke procedure in his game...I have video of two swings of Jodie from an ESPN special on the 1991 U.S Open, Jodie's swing looks exactly like Tommy's swing but with a wide arc snap loading backstroke. The action of the swing and the finish look exactly like Tom Tomasello.

Remember, you don't have to read the posts...

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Old 02-26-2006, 02:37 PM
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Actually, if there are other Tomasello students who can add to the mystery!!! That would be great...

At this time, it would be interesting to hear from Jodie Mudd...a PGA Tour pro who studied with Tommy. Did he use this stroke procedure in his game...I have video of two swings of Jodie from an ESPN special on the 1991 U.S Open, Jodie's swing looks exactly like Tommy's swing but with a wide arc snap loading backstroke. The action of the swing and the finish look exactly like Tom Tomasello.
There are only two Accelerating Thrusts: Centrifugal and Muscular. They are mutually exclusive.

Centrifugal Thrust (Swinging) results in a Throw-Out Action and is generated by Pulling the Club lengthwise with either the Left Arm (via the Pivot) or the Right Arm (via the Right Triceps). Muscular Thrust (Hitting) results in a Drive-Out Action and is generated by Pushing the Club radially with the Right Arm (also via the Right Triceps).

Assuming Jodie Mudd is a Swinger -- personally, I believe that is the case -- then the only remaining question is how he generates his Centrifugal Thrust. So, we only have to ask Jodie:

"Do you use your Pivot and Left Wrist to Throw Out the Club or do you use your Right Triceps?"

I personally would love to "hear from Jodie." A "yes" to either question -- or even both! -- would not surprise me. I'm sure there is an email address or phone number for him out there somewhere. Seriously, let's go for it!
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There are only two Accelerating Thrusts: Centrifugal and Muscular. They are mutually exclusive.

Centrifugal Thrust (Swinging) results in a Throw-Out Action and is generated by Pulling the Club lengthwise with either the Left Arm (via the Pivot) or the Right Arm (via the Right Triceps). Muscular Thrust (Hitting) results in a Drive-Out Action and is generated by Pushing the Club radially with the Right Arm (also via the Right Triceps).

Assuming Jodie Mudd is a Swinger -- personally, I believe that is the case -- then the only remaining question is how he generates his Centrifugal Thrust. So, we only have to ask Jodie:

"Do you use your Pivot and Left Wrist to Throw Out the Club or do you use your Right Triceps?"

I personally would love to "hear from Jodie." I'm sure there is an email address or phone number for him out there somewhere. Seriously, let's go for it!
Lynn,

How about we arrange a teleconference...you, me and Jodie. I would rather do that instead of reading a post on the forum or do a teleconference and then a post on the forum.

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Old 02-26-2006, 02:59 PM
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Lynn,

How about we arrange a teleconference...you, me and Jodie. I would rather do that instead of reading a post on the forum or do a teleconference and then a post on the forum.

DG
"If you build it, I will come."

If you can pull it off, DG, I'd love to do it. Seriously, just tell me when, and we can record it for "the folks back home." Thanks!
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"If you build it, I will come."

If you can pull it off, DG, I'd love to do it. Seriously, just tell me when, and we can record it for "the folks back home." Thanks!

Yoda,

Don't think I need the telecon ....after watching the 1987 Tomasello video (Surfside Beach Studio), I think I have the answer. in that video, Tommy does an awesome demonstration of extensor action drill and the flying wedge drill.

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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Lynn,

How about we arrange a teleconference...you, me and Jodie. I would rather do that instead of reading a post on the forum or do a teleconference and then a post on the forum.

DG
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Originally Posted by Yoda
DG,

You have classified Tom Tomasello's procedure as Right Arm Swing. Others have classified it as Left Arm Swing using the Magic of the Right Forearm per the Major Basic Stroke of 7-3. Tommy's no longer with us to declare an ultimate victor in this debate, so participants have no choice but to respect the opposing view and 'let the mystery be.'

That said, the success of either action is dependent upon the Club being Accelerated Longitudinally (PULLED lengthwise with either the Right Arm or the Left per 10-19-C). The difference lies in what is being Loaded and how -- the Right Elbow via the Right Triceps (Right Arm Swing) versus the Left Wrist via the Pivot (Left Arm Swing). The Right Arm Swinger gains Right Triceps Thrust but forfeits Body Momentum Transfer. For the Left Arm Swinger, the reverse is true.

Both procedures differ considerably from the Right Arm Hit. Here the Club is Accelerated Radially (PUSHED sidewise with the Right Arm per 10-19-A). As in the Right Arm Swing, however, the price paid for Right Arm Thrust is the forfeiture of Momentum Transfer.

Yoda,

The Right Arm Swing is the only logical choice to describe what Tommy taught...right arm acceleration...accelerated Longitudinally. I know I don't have tell you to see 7-19...for those that don't know and are new to the forum..also see 10-11-0-1 and 10-11-0-3.

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