You could draw that one picture in a position - but just tell me how your going to get there. If the right and left shoulder are on a plane any line between that point is going to be onplane too. So if you use a point between the shoulders center for simplicity - that will be onplane too(not quite true but close enough for our purposes).
Now if the stationary point stays onplane - the right shoulder stays onplane - how can the left shoulder leave that plane. Now try to visualise the shoulder motions and ask yourself, how can you have a top of the backstroke where this could happen....it can't....
Independent movement of the shoulders? They are not a single T-bar. In fact this independent movement need not even occur during the downswin. If both shoulders are forward at the top then they curve forward from the spine. I agree any point between the shoulders would need to be on plane, just not that the spine would need to be between the shoulders - in a linear fashion that is!
These were made by Hunter and approved by Lynn (Yoda).
Hunter made a valuable contribution to the site and golfdom with his Hitting and Swinging Stickmen and the concepts they convey. They are completely his work, unedited (or "approved") by me, and they stand on their own considerable merit. Any questions as to their accuracy should be directed to him. They are a product of his own effort to 'get it right,' and I am sure he would welcome critical comment.
Hunter made a valuable contribution to the site and golfdom with his Hitting and Swinging Stickmen and the concepts they conveyed. However, at no time were they submitted to me for "approval" and 'sign-off.' They are completely his work, unedited by me, and they stand on their own considerable merit.
Yoda, sorry about that. By "approval", I meant your praise of his work.
For example:
Originally Posted by Yoda
I'll repeat what I said about the Hitting Stickman:
Wow!
Great stuff, Rob. This is work unprecedented in the history of The Golfing Machine.
Hagen taught Hogan to test his understanding of the Golf Stroke by drawing stickmen.
Front View and Down the Line, Rob has tested his understanding -- Hitting and Swinging -- and has earned Three Thumbs Up!
Originally Posted by Yoda
His Swinging and Hitting Stickmen are a terrific addition to the Body of Knowledge that is The Golfing Machine.
Tongzilla if you can agree with 2 undisputable facts you'll get it....
1) the left shoulder, arm and clubshaft are inline by going to an uncocked position (zero no.3 acc angle) ?
hence the left shoulder is onplane
2) the pivot center that controls shoulder motions is above plane?
Now, explain how since the answer to both these questions is yes - how the left shoulder can be onplane, the stationary center that controls the shoulder motions is above the plane and then still have right shoulder onplane at followthrough ?
Its just basic logic...
I mean have you thought this through. Memorising passages (although they are a good start) won't get you anywhere unless you actually challenge yourself and your assumptions. If you are truely observational, Hunter didn't draw it directly on the inclined plane - he drew it with the right shoulder offplane slightly at followthrough because he couldn't draw it onplane and keep the center above plane....
The way I see it now when looking at the golfing machine - I do my own research into particular areas and without fail, if it is correctly done - everytime it agrees and clarifies Homer Kelley's work and it allows you to appreciate it in greater depth...
I may be missing the point but it looks like both shoulders of the stickman (in both examples) are on plane through to the end of impact. Seems ideal to me.
I may be missing the point but it looks like both shoulders of the stickman (in both examples) are on plane through to the end of impact. Seems ideal to me.
The left shoulder is not onplane for the entire downstroke till the point of where the left arm is inline and the left wrist assumes its uncocked state at followthrough which is by definition both arms straight. The right shoulder is onplane to just before impact where it then must depart the inclined plane.
Both shoulders are definately not onplane...at any point of the golf stroke...
The left shoulder is not onplane for the entire downstroke till the point of where the left arm is inline and the left wrist assumes its uncocked state at followthrough which is by definition both arms straight. The right shoulder is onplane to just before impact where it then must depart the inclined plane.
Both shoulders are definately not onplane...at any point of the golf stroke...
Got cha. I'm sorry Matthew I really didn't say what I meant in that post. I meant to say that the left and right shoulders look as if they are on the same plane at impact.
I'm sorry Matthew I really didn't say what I meant in that post. I meant to say that the left and right shoulders look as if they are on the same plane at impact.
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