I get the feeling that if one can achieve the Flat left wrist at impact the rest of the imperatives will fall into place with practice. Anyone else agree?
No, don't agree. Too many golfers out there with a 'fake' Flat Left Wrist (what the heck? ) at Impact.
Out of the Three Imperatives, if I really had to choose one where if you could do it everything else will fall into place, then I would choose Clubhead Lag Pressure.
Originally Posted by mb6606
Tong,
You missed the point. You either have the flat wrist and create max compression or not. Faked is not flat.
I believe one could have a bent right wrist and lag pressure and not have a flat wrist.
Maybe I am wrong but Homer made it #1 (flat wrist) for a reason.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
How does one identify a faker? This is interesting.
Let me try to be clearer.
There are Three Imperatives. Their identities are separate and independent of each other, but they are also, to some extent, related in many ways.
You asked if I agree with you that if one has a Flat Left Wrist, then everything else would fall into place. I disagree and I told you why I thought Clubhead Lag Pressure fits the bill better (post #9).
The Flat Left Wrist by itself does not give maximum compression.
Why are there so many golfers out there who it hit crap even with a dead Flat Left Wrist at Impact (with a 10-2-B grip)?
Faking it means you are forcing it to be Flat by using your wrist muscles to hold it Flat through Impact.
How do you think Hogan went from a slightly cupped or Bent Left Wrist at the Top to a Flat or maybe even slightly Arched Left Wrist at Impact? Is it because of what he tried to do with his wrists? No! Because of Clubhead Lag Pressure!
Here’s a common example of what happens in many people’s swing. They’re at the Top, On Plane with a Flat Left Wrist, ready to go psycho on the ball. They start over-accelerating, loose all their Lag and Drag, their Left Wrist Bends and Right Wrist Flattens. Suddenly they are Off Plane Tracing a Bent Plane Line. Now they must compensate by Steering. All Three Imperatives goes down the drain.
Teaching a golfer to have a Flat Left Wrist per se at Impact is easy. But at the expense of lousy rhythm, no Lag and Drag, Steering, etc. It’s a big price to pay. Teaching a golfer to have real Clubhead Lag Pressure is much harder and more elusive. After all, Clubhead Lag is the Secret of Golf!
In addition to what tonzilla said. Even if you have a flat left wrist (defined by your impact fix alignments) and have beautiful clubhead control... You also control the action of the clubface and the compression upon it via the hinge action/left wrist motion through the impact interval . A flat left wrist means it is flat against the the vertical plane of the hinge action you are using for the particular shot in hand....
Let me make sure I am hearing you loud and clear. If I were to use Johnny Miller's advice for a solid impact position and try to feel my right hand facing the ground through impact I would be faking it? Even if I have a solid amount of lag until just before impact? I'm faking it because the lag pressure has not resulted in a solid impact alignment?
In addition to what tonzilla said. Even if you have a flat left wrist (defined by your impact fix alignments) and have beautiful clubhead control... You also control the action of the clubface and the compression upon it via the hinge action/left wrist motion through the impact interval . A flat left wrist means it is flat against the the vertical plane of the hinge action you are using for the particular shot in hand....
Here's an interesting point which is not in the book. So please look away for those who's only into pure Homer Kelly.
The Golfing Machine says that the Left Wrist controls the Clubface. But once you've mastered the idea of producing different Hinge Actions with your Left Wrist remaining Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes, a very convenient way to control the Clubface is through the Lag Pressure sensed by Pressure Point #3. 'What?' you may ask, 'I thought Pressure Point #3 was only for sensing Clubhead Lag Pressure'.
Let me explain. When you're hitting a straight shot, your Pressure Point #3 should be directly behind ("aft") the Clubhshaft supporting to load at Impact. A curved shot is produced by the divergence of the Clubface to the Clubhead Path. Simply put, to impart slice spin on the ball the Clubface needs to be open relative to the Clubhead's Path, and vice versa for hook spin. This means you should feel your Pressure Point #3 being more under the Sweetspot with a slice shot and more on top of the Sweetspot with a hook shot.
Let me make sure I am hearing you loud and clear. If I were to use Johnny Miller's advice for a solid impact position and try to feel my right hand facing the ground through impact I would be faking it? Even if I have a solid amount of lag until just before impact? I'm faking it because the lag pressure has not resulted in a solid impact alignment?
Thanks!
Matt
I'm just saying having a Flat Left Wrist at Impact is not enough. You need to have Lag Pressure to help produce that Flat Left Wrist.
Here's an interesting point which is not in the book. So please look away for those who's only into pure Homer Kelly.
The Golfing Machine says that the Left Wrist controls the Clubface. But once you've mastered the idea of producing different Hinge Actions with your Left Wrist remaining Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes, a very convenient way to control the Clubface is through the Lag Pressure sensed by Pressure Point #3. 'What?' you may ask, 'I thought Pressure Point #3 was only for sensing Clubhead Lag Pressure'.
[Bold by Yoda.]
Convenient, yes, but not as precise.
Convenient because control of both the Clubhead and Clubface are now in one Hand.
Imprecise because variations in Right Elbow Bend and Location will disturb the Clubface alignments, making it an inferior procedure.
Better to free the Right Hand and Arm of all responsibility except their Straight Line Drive through the Ball and Plane Line Tracing. And assign to the Left Wrist the task of returning to Flat and Vertical at Impact for execution of the Hinge Action.
Left Hand -- Hinge Action and Clubface Control.
Right Hand -- Clubhead Lag Pressure and Clubhead Control.
Unless, of course, you prefer to do it otherwise. In which case, Homer Kelley would have been the first to say...
Convenient because control of both the Clubhead and Clubface are now in one Hand.
Imprecise because variations in Right Elbow Bend and Location will disturb the Clubface alignments, making it an inferior procedure.
Better to free the Right Hand and Arm of all responsibility except their Straight Line Drive through the Ball and Plane Line Tracing. And assign to the Left Wrist the task of returning to Flat and Vertical at Impact for execution of the Hinge Action.
Left Hand -- Hinge Action and Clubface Control.
Right Hand -- Clubhead Lag Pressure and Clubhead Control.
Unless, of course, you prefer to do it otherwise. In which case, Homer Kelley would have been the first to say...
TGM - Preface
The first page HK wrote in edition 6.
Paragraph #1 Homer makes the case for alignment golf versus position golf.
Paragraph 2 first line, "And the number one alignment is the Flat Left Wrist (law of the flail 2-k). without it, more information means only more confusion."
No mention of plane, no mention of lag in the preface, pivot, flying wedges etc. Only the, "Flat Left Wrist".
Homer knew it was the key that unlocks alignment golf aka "The Golfing Machine".
There are Three Imperatives. Their identities are separate and independent of each other, but they are also, to some extent, related in many ways.
You asked if I agree with you that if one has a Flat Left Wrist, then everything else would fall into place. I disagree and I told you why I thought Clubhead Lag Pressure fits the bill better (post #9).
The Flat Left Wrist by itself does not give maximum compression.
Why are there so many golfers out there who it hit crap even with a dead Flat Left Wrist at Impact (with a 10-2-B grip)?
Faking it means you are forcing it to be Flat by using your wrist muscles to hold it Flat through Impact.
How do you think Hogan went from a slightly cupped or Bent Left Wrist at the Top to a Flat or maybe even slightly Arched Left Wrist at Impact? Is it because of what he tried to do with his wrists? No! Because of Clubhead Lag Pressure!
Here’s a common example of what happens in many people’s swing. They’re at the Top, On Plane with a Flat Left Wrist, ready to go psycho on the ball. They start over-accelerating, loose all their Lag and Drag, their Left Wrist Bends and Right Wrist Flattens. Suddenly they are Off Plane Tracing a Bent Plane Line. Now they must compensate by Steering. All Three Imperatives goes down the drain.
Teaching a golfer to have a Flat Left Wrist per se at Impact is easy. But at the expense of lousy rhythm, no Lag and Drag, Steering, etc. It’s a big price to pay. Teaching a golfer to have real Clubhead Lag Pressure is much harder and more elusive. After all, Clubhead Lag is the Secret of Golf!
Tong . . . I'm liking the machismo my friend. Vibrating Sensicores and FAKING IT? Did you score this weekend? For the record I didn't . . . I'm on the quarterly plan.
I am smelling much of what you are a cookin' in this post. The Flat Left Wrist is the Numero Uno Alignment a big holla to that. BUT as you said over-acceleration is the menace stalker of lag and drag as much as Mike O is a human head collector.
In a full bore motion if your thrust stops (pivot for the slinger and right forearm for the puncher) your Left Wrist is gonna pay the price by . . . bending . . . UNLESS as you point out you FAKE IT!!!
I have FAKED IT. I think people need to get in tune with LAG PRESSURE. Like you say and not ACCUMULATOR LAG. I used to think you had to just drag a soooooper cocked Left Wrist down down down Trigger-d-laid and a navel seeking right elbow. Didn't get'er done. The Accumulators HAVE TO RELEASE . . . but as LGM has told us Clubhead LAG has NO RELEASE POINT.
But how . . . how is the best way to find if you are FAKING IT? How would YOU stop the STALKER of LAG?
If you ain't got LAG PRESSURE and you still got a FLAT LEFT WRIST . . . It probably hurts. As far as the Bent Right Wrist . . . Mr. K in his wisdom did say "unstressed."
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For the record I didn't . . . I'm on the quarterly plan.
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