Tom believed that the left arm is the arm that is SWINGING, "BUT IT IS BEING SWUNG BY THE RIGHT ARM." He did not teach "the Bat." He believed the left shoulder is the center of the stroke.
He taught HITTING USING THE 10-2-D Grip, and SWINGING with the Strong Single Action.
He kept in contact with Mr. Kelley and had many phone conversations recorded between them. He was constantly learning, and did occasionally change the emphasis of what he taught.
He really believed in "the magic of the right forearm."
Lagster,
Any reference I make to 10-3-K is from 7-19. I don't think Tomasello was trying to teach the bat either...I believe it's really a reference to right arm acceleration. However, I do believe Tommy was trying to teach Full Power swinging. Optimal distance and accuracy combined with the ability to integrated the hitting procedure easily to the game of golf effectively.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-04-2006 at 09:41 PM.
I'm not looking for sympathy... (Didn't think I implied any sympathy in my post) I'm looking for the truth. (I commented on your original question- "full power" in relation to pressure points- not accumulators) Hmmmm...and Tommy taught PGA/LPGA tour pros and high level amateurs. (Really don't know how this relates to my post Dave- completely missed what this references)
Sell the System is going to hurt TGM, you got to be frickin kidding me...I have a degree in Marketing from one of the top business schools in the country and I'm going to listen that...yikes. And look where the system is today....over 20 years behind....go tell Donald Trump not to sell a GREAT SYSTEM...Gee Donald, we have got this great product....but if we try to sell it too much it will hurt it. That does not make sense at all. (Good point Dave, I was more relating to the issue that someone who's fanatical about an issue and wants and trys to sell it- might not realize when and how they turn people away/off. Your certainly correct that marketing and selling are key elements of a successful business)
TGM IS A BEAUTIFUL SYSTEM...the system has so much potential to influence other things. It has for me. Homer was a great researcher...if what you say is true, Homer wasn't much of a marketer/salesman, I really hate saying that...I have much respect for Homer. (I'd agree and his own assessment was that he was primarily a researcher- all the other things were areas that came out of necessity- once the research was "completed".)
Turn people off who don't agree, most likely. Turn people off to a good thing or provide truthful results, highly unlikely.
Geez, shall we call Homer a fanatic. I think passion is the correct word. The term fanatic in this arena is a pot shot. I believe most of the golfers on this site are passionate about TGM... is that a bad thing. I can think of worse things....what to find some real fantics, turn on the nightly news.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 07-30-2006 at 10:53 PM.
Contact me again, I get quite a few emails and PMs. Sometimes, I lose track...
I will PM again, thanks!
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You're exactly right about increased accuracy as you allow the pivot to respond to the action of the right forearm. Great observation Jim...right on the money. I believe your accuracy would increase if you got rid of the double shift plane angle.
I never mentioned anything about accuracy. If anything i was discussing more about pivot activity and swing speed. Also i am one of the straightest ballstrikers i know. However some of my students are getting there . But i practice a lot to trace a straight plane which is why i hit the ball so straight.
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Normally, the source of a double shift is a hip or shoulder takeaway instead of a right forearm takeaway.
You are correct. I use what i call "the combo." I use a shoulder turn takeaway to initiate my swing however i'm still tracing a straight line and then once my swing becomes relatively parallel to the plane line i immediately employ a right forearm "type" takeaway to take me to the top of the turned shoulder plane. I personally do not believe the right forearm takeaway is a good option for swingers. When i hit i very much use a right forearm takeaway, but in swinging i feel it is too "mechanical" and not flowing enough. But that's just me . Again i trace a straight plane line even with my double shift so i'm not worried about it.
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Turn people off who don't agree, most likely. Turn people off to a good thing or provide truthful results, highly unlikely.
Geez, shall we call Homer a fanatic. I think passion is the correct word. The term fanatic in this arena is a pot shot. I believe most of the golfers on this site are passionate about TGM... is that a bad thing. I can think of worse things....what to find some real fantics, turn on the nightly news.
DG
Dave,
Good to see ya but you're killing me!
I think Mike was merely tryingto provide an objective viewpoint. In any marketing program, the measurement is (and always will be) return. In marketing, turning those on that don't agree is key, no? Mike was part of your return and you're killing him!
I have never known a fanatic that wasnt passionate. Point being (I think), Homer was driven.
[quote=phillygolf]Dave,
Good to see ya but you're killing me!
I think Mike was merely tryingto provide an objective viewpoint. In any marketing program, the measurement is (and always will be) return. In marketing, turning those on that don't agree is key, no? Mike was part of your return and you're killing him!
I have never known a fanatic that wasnt passionate. Point being (I think), Homer was driven.
Oh yeah - how's the game?[/QUOTE
Hmmmm...what do you have here....the tag team of Patrick and Michael,
You guys really humor me (remember the truth prevails)..who called who? Send in the calvary DG is at again.
I say do the research, watch the Tomasello videos (especially the chapter series #5 on "Power" make that FULL POWER)/read the Tomasello interview and now read the 7th edition, see 10-3-K, 10-3-D, 12-5-3. I think you will make a few connections.
No, the measurement in any marketing program is market share and sales. Without good operations it doesn't matter what kind of marketing program you have...a company needs to keep it's expenses/costs down so it can generate a good/great return/profit margin.
A little golfing trivia (most appropriate for this situation) - Nicklaus use to watch Hogan practice, Hogan never watched Nicklaus practice. Didn't need to...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-03-2006 at 10:51 PM.
Geeezzzz....here is another new entry into the 7th edition that sync's up nicely with the Tomasello July 1991 interview. And in the correct section of the book....Force Vectors.
GI: If the hands aren't doing anything, then what's swinging the club.
Tomasello: Here we get into the terminology that scares people. You swing the club via two "divergent force vectors." This simply means that two different forces are being combined. One force is moving the club upward and downward. A second force is moving the club outward, away from you. The upward and downward force is provided by a straight-up folding and unfolding of the right forearm from its address position. You simpy fold your right arm at the elbow to swing the club up. From there, you try to throw the clubhead into the ground by unfolding your right arm.
7th edition entry in 2-N-1.
B. The Primary Downward Force Vector is produced by straightening the right elbow--including the Uncocking of the Left Wrist.
Sync's up nicely with the Tomasello's interview description.
Again, I would suggest watching the Tomasello Letter Series for clarification.
Why was Tomasello misunderstood....HE WAS TEACHING FROM THE UNRELEASED 7TH EDITION.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-09-2006 at 12:18 AM.
Recently communicated by email with a GSED who teaches Right Arm Swinging....actually teaches Left Arm and Right Arm Swinging and Right Arm Hitting.
It appears the validating comments for Right Arm Swinging are in 2-M-3....first paragraph.
"Unless Pivot Thrust actually drives #4 Accumulator through Impact, its assignment during that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance and support of the Power Package, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during Delivery. The Pattern of the Stroke being used designates where Thrust is to originate and that is completely the player's option."
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-13-2006 at 02:25 AM.
I believe most of the golfers on this site are passionate about TGM... is that a bad thing. I can think of worse things....what to find some real fantics, turn on the nightly news. 
. But i practice a lot to trace a straight plane which is why i hit the ball so straight. 
. Again i trace a straight plane line even with my double shift so i'm not worried about it.
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